Positivity Beats IBD With Josef Miller - About IBD Podcast Episode 143

Positivity Beats IBD With Josef Miller – About IBD Podcast Episode 143

What is it like to be a teen living with Crohn’s disease? If you’re like Josef Miller, you channel the challenges of the diagnosis and management of IBD into action. Josef has written a book about his experiences, entitled “The Purple Rose,” and created an initiative called “Positivity Beats IBD,” which creates inspirational cards for people living with IBD and other conditions. Learn about Josef’s journey with Crohn’s his multicultural background, and how and why he decided to write a book.


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Transcript

[Music: IBD Dance Party]

Amber Tresca 0:05
I’m Amber Tresca and this is about IBD.

Amber Tresca 0:08
I’m a medical writer and patient educator who lives with a J pouch due to ulcerative colitis. It’s my mission to educate people living with Crohn’s disease or ulcerative colitis, about their disease, and to bring awareness to the patient journey.

Amber Tresca 0:21
Welcome to Episode 143.

Amber Tresca 0:23
You’ve heard me say this before, but IBD is a disease of young people. Crohn’s disease and ulcerative colitis are unfortunately being diagnosed in more younger people than ever before.

Amber Tresca 0:35
My guest is Joseph Miller. Joseph is a teenager who was recently diagnosed with Crohn’s disease, he decided to channel his experiences in a variety of ways. He created an initiative called Positivity Beats IBD, where volunteers creates inspirational greeting cards that are given to infusion center patients. He also wrote a book entitled The Purple Rose. It is a narrative poem that is fictional, but draws from Joseph’s experiences as a young Crohn’s disease patient.

Amber Tresca 1:04
Joseph tells me about his disease journey, his mission for Positivity Beats IBD, and his writing process. Plus, stick around for the end, where I asked him a question that is so controversial, it is hotly debated in some quarters of the internet.

Amber Tresca 1:25
Joseph, thank you so much for coming on about IBD.

Josef Miller 1:28
Thanks, Amber. It’s a pleasure to be here.

Amber Tresca 1:30
It is absolutely my pleasure. I wonder if you would start by briefly introducing yourself and the group that you work with and the book that you recently wrote?

Josef Miller 1:40
Yeah, my name is Joseph Miller. I’m the founder of positivity beats IBD, which is a sponsor organization from Connecting to Cure. And I’m the author of the Purple Rose, which is currently selling on Amazon.

Amber Tresca 1:56
Joseph, I’ve learned a lot about you from reading your book, The Purple Rose. But there’s a few things that kind of stuck out to me that I want to ask you about, if you don’t mind. And the first is about your childhood. Yeah, because you write in the book that you were born in Venezuela. But you didn’t really give any more context than that. So can you tell me about that, and about some of the other places that you’ve lived? Yeah.

Josef Miller 2:23
So I grew up kind of moving to a lot of different places. My dad works for the USD department. And so I lived in Venezuela, and I was born there. And then I moved to Ecuador, and then to Spain. And then I lived in the US for about a year and then I moved to Peru, then Mexico. And then I moved back to the US. And I’ve been here since 2020.

Amber Tresca 2:50
Wow. Okay. And how old are you now?

Josef Miller 2:54
I’m 18.

Amber Tresca 2:56
So you have actually lived most of your life? Not in the United States? Is that right?

Josef Miller 3:03
Yeah, I think I’m like, I think I’ve lived 13 years overseas. And this is my fourth or fifth, I think this is my fifth year living in the US.

Amber Tresca 3:14
Okay. And how is that for you? Because it has to be such a big change. I’m sure you’re used to moving by now, if one could ever get used to moving from country to country. But being back in the United States, it’s it’s gotta be such a different thing to be going to school here versus going in Latin America. Can you tell me about some of the differences?

Josef Miller 3:39
Yeah, I think one that sticks out specifically is the language. I grew up specifically with a lot of students that spoke Spanish as their native language. Whereas here, it’s primarily English. And it’s kind of rare to find students that speak Spanish. And another difference that I’ve seen is just the United States public school system has just so many students per grade. I think living overseas, I usually have in my class about 100 150 Students Max was here. I think there’s close to 400 students in my grade. So that’s obviously been a huge difference, because you can get to know everyone here where you could overseas, but I’ve been loving my time here in the States. I really love it here.

Amber Tresca 4:26
Are you bilingual? Do you speak fluent Spanish?

Josef Miller 4:29
Yes.

Amber Tresca 4:30
Do you plan to stay in the States? Are you gonna go to college here?

Josef Miller 4:35
Yeah, I think I’m gonna go to I’m not 100% sure where I’m gonna go to college to yet. I’m in the whole process of applying to them right now. But I definitely want to stay in the US just because I think that’s where most of my family is going to be in the future. And I want to be close to people that I know. And whereas I did live overseas, and I did get to meet a lot of incredible people. What I’ve seen Notice that a lot of them seem to be migrating to the United States too. And so I think I would kind of be leaving a lot of people that I care about if I was to go overseas again.

Amber Tresca 5:10
That makes sense. All right. So you we connected because you have written your book. Yeah, called the Purple Rose. And it details, your experiences with Crohn’s disease. Is that what you would say? Or is it mostly fictional?

Josef Miller 5:27
I would say that the story highlights the experience, I would say the very similarly reflects my experiences. But a lot of the extenuating circumstances aren’t necessarily mine. I think a lot of the characteristics of the character itself and the main character, his name is Jacob Temple aren’t necessarily ones that we share. But I definitely think the diagnosis and the process of getting diagnosed were very, very similar.

Amber Tresca 6:01
Alright, so let’s go through that. Let’s go through your Crohn’s disease diagnosis story. So can you tell me a little bit about how the symptoms started? And what the diagnostic process was like, and where were you when you were diagnosed?

Josef Miller 6:16
Yeah. So I was already living here in the US. I think this has been my second year living in the US or maybe third. And I was studying, I was in kind of a really difficult process, kind of a long process of studying for the SATs. And I was putting so much stress on myself to succeed in the exam. So much accumulated stress, I think that lasted almost, I think it was around 10 weeks of just constantly studying. And I think it was about a week before the exam when I started getting a lot of bowel movements.

Josef Miller 6:52
And at the time, I didn’t think much of it. And so we kind of just thought that it was just my stomach that was overreacting. My grandma was visiting. So we just thought I hadn’t been eating the healthiest. And so I continued to have bowel movements for I think, two weeks, the SAT ends, I take the exam. And I want to say a week after the SAT, I had a bloody stool. And I just remember kind of thing like, Oh, that’s not normal.

Josef Miller 7:21
I kind of told my parents and they knew I wasn’t eating the healthiest because my Grandma was visiting. But they [the bloody bowel movements] continued and they continued. And so we got in contact with my pediatrician. And she kind of got us in contact with the with the right people to get me diagnosed.

Josef Miller 7:40
But what really kind of spiraled the process for it to come sooner was that I went kind of through about a 14-15 to 16 day period when I lost about 18 pounds and just couldn’t walk very well, I my hands. I just remember they kind of burned whenever I like tried to do anything. And it was just a really kind of traumatic, but difficult experience would have been truly ended up happening is I think around three weeks later, I got a scheduled colonoscopy. And then I was told that I had Crohn’s disease.

Amber Tresca 8:15
So from beginning to end was about a month. Was it more than a month?

Josef Miller 8:20
I think? Yeah, I think it was about a month and a half.

Amber Tresca 8:22
Okay. Wow.

Josef Miller 8:24
Which I’ve heard is a lot better than what some other patients go through.

Amber Tresca 8:28
Yes, yeah. That’s actually really great to hear. Sometimes I get really disappointed when I hear how people have such a long diagnosis process. Because I feel as though it should be better now than it was when I was diagnosed decades ago. And it just in some cases doesn’t seem to be so actually, that’s really great that your pediatrician moved you along really quickly. And everybody took it seriously, it sounds like.

Josef Miller 8:58
It was definitely handled super kind of seriously. And everyone was really worried about it. And I think we’re really, I don’t want to say helped me, but what really kind of put that in focus was when I went through that difficult, like 18 or 14-15 day period.

Amber Tresca 9:15
Yeah. And the weight loss.

Josef Miller 9:17
Yeah.

Amber Tresca 9:18
Which probably people could look at you right and see that you had lost the weight. How did people around you react to that?

Josef Miller 9:26
Well, first of all, my family is the most supportive of everything. They were just also caring about it. At the time I was working, I couldn’t work. I was falling behind at school because I just wasn’t going to school every day and just everyone was trying to do what they could keep me together.

Josef Miller 9:42
I definitely think socially or with my friends, it was a lot difficult for people to understand kind of what was happening. This is kind of the theory or kind of thought that I’ve come to I think, with Crohn’s and Ulcerative Colitis, they’re, they’ve become a little bit taboo to talk about because it um involves everything with the digestive system.

Josef Miller 10:03
So I think when I got diagnosed, a lot of people, I don’t want to say made fun of me, but they couldn’t really understand the extent of it. And kind of almost found that as a joke, like, Oh, you got diarrhea, ha ha ha and not really taking it for what it was. And so I definitely struggled socially with that. But I think that’s been one of my driving forces to continue to work and kind of this field is to be a little bit more informative of what’s happening because it’s occurring to a lot of different people.

[Music: About IBD Transition]

Amber Tresca 10:52
Let’s switch gears a little bit, because I want you to tell me about your organization, which is called Positivity Beats IBD. Why did you decide to start this work? And can you tell me about what your mission is?

Josef Miller 11:07
Yeah, so our mission is to help patients with Crohn’s or ulcerative colitis that are struggling either with their diagnosis or recent prolonged symptoms that they may be going through. And we primarily support the patients by creating positive cards.

Josef Miller 11:28
And so in our first year and a half, we’ve been able to make, we just passed 750 cards for patients primarily had been dedicated to people in the DC and Baltimore area. But we’ve been expanding now. And we’ve been sending them to a lot of different places in the US, which has been really, really exciting. And we’ve done other activities and other kinds of, or other initiatives to kind of drive the, our motive forward.

Amber Tresca 11:57
So how do you go about the process of making the cards?

Josef Miller 12:02
We kind of like to divide, we make cards for two different groups of people, because we can kind of make a universal card, we make cards for children and for adults. And so we kind of divide our sort our team and to kind of the artist and kind of the people who write messages. And so the artists do a lot of the detailed drawings and images for the patients for the younger patients. Whereas the other half will kind of make really inspiring messages. And again, kind of someone could quote, someone could riddle someone include just stories that they’ve heard just to kind of try and inspire the patient that might be reading the card.

Amber Tresca 12:45
So it also sounds like a really social activity. Does everybody get together in a room and create the cards?

Josef Miller 12:51
Yeah, it’s been a really great experience. We haven’t, we don’t do it as much during the school year just because of logistical struggles and just people being really busy. But during the summer, we’ve, I think done five or six total kind of social events, we’ll we’ll have a sponsoring restaurant, bring us food. And we’ll get drinks and it kind of creates this fun atmosphere and creative atmosphere where people are serving and helping other people with Crohn’s and Ulcerative Colitis, but at the same time having fun doing it with their friends.

Amber Tresca 13:25
Have you met other students or other kids who live with an IBD who have come to these events?

Josef Miller 13:33
Yeah, there’s one friend who I wouldn’t say your name just in case she wants to keep it private. So we got diagnosed at the same time. And that’s kind of how we came together and got really close. I got diagnosed in October, she got diagnosed in December. And friends, mutual friends kind of told us about each other’s stories and how we both kind of been through very similar circumstances, right. And so when she did hear about all these cardmaking events, she couldn’t go to all of them, but whenever she could, and she was always sending and mailing me cards that she was making on her own free time to try and support the cause.

Amber Tresca 14:17
Oh, my gosh, that’s so great.

Josef Miller 14:19
Thank you.

Amber Tresca 14:20
You’ve been really busy with Positivity Beats IBD. And somehow and being a high school student. I have high school student, my son, and he’s incredibly busy all of the time, which is appropriate, but also somehow in the middle of this, you figured out how to write a whole book. So you have a book out now called The Purple Rose. I have my copy here, right next to my desk because I have been reading it. So talk to me a little bit about the structure of this book and how the narrative came to you why you decided to structure it the way that you did.

Josef Miller 14:59
Yeah, so I wanted to take the story from a lot of different themes and ideas. And I definitely pulled a lot of themes and ideas, I just kind of off the top of my head, I wanted to make a story that kind of revolved something similar to kind of what wonder did a few years ago with that book Wonder, and also take a lot of themes of kind of love and perseverance, as a family and as friends kind of threw Everything Everywhere All at Once, which is a film that came out I think, about two years ago.

Josef Miller 15:29
And so the way I kind of structured the book, it’s about this teenager, his name, I’d mentioned a little bit earlier, his name is Jacob Temple. And he has this dream to be in a musical. But he struggles a lot with anxiety, and with just being very critical of himself. And so year after year after year, he kind of wants to try and he never kind of fully commits himself to even getting to the audition room and just kind of running away because he’s just so nervous.

Josef Miller 16:00
And kind of right after all that happens, he gets diagnosed with Crohn’s. And so what I wanted the story to create is kind of create this feeling of dread and regret, and Jacob so that whenever he did overcome his Crohn’s disease, he would completely alter and change the way he lived his life. Because I think that’s something very similar that happened to me, I think, when I got really sick, I lived all these regrets, of course, not knowing that I would get to feel better.

Josef Miller 16:28
But there was this period, I remember not knowing if I would feel ever that I would feel as I ever did before again, and if I would have the same chance to participate and do all these activities that I enjoyed, and so I wanted to kind of instill that very similar feeling in Jacob so that when he did overcome it, it would just be kind of very inspirational to the reader. And along the way, he needs some really great people he really bond and strengthens his relationship with his family.

Josef Miller 16:59
So I think even though it’s a story about Crohn’s, I think it’s also just a story about friendship, and family and love. And I just think that’s a really important kind of story for people that chronic illness or not.

Amber Tresca 17:12
Yeah, I agree. 100%. Seeing the arc of the character and how he learned from his experiences. There’s so many things I learned who was going to, for lack of a better phrase, like be a good friend.

Josef Miller 17:32
Yeah.

Amber Tresca 17:32
And who wasn’t a good friend, and how to create boundaries for himself. And then also, it seemed to me that he learned how to sort of not leave anything on the table anymore.

Josef Miller 17:46
Yeah

Amber Tresca 17:47
You know, that he just was going to put himself 100% into the goals that he had for himself. And which maybe is something that people don’t learn, usually until later in life.

Amber Tresca 18:02
But I think being diagnosed with a chronic illness, as you were saying, you wonder if you’re ever going to feel better. Again, there’s times when you feel like, you may not even know that’s not true, you will feel better again. But that does take you to a place where you start to feel as though you have to take the chance and do everything that you can with it. And I think that’s what came through in the narrative for me.

Josef Miller 18:28
Thank you.

Amber Tresca 18:28
Now you said it’s some of it is fiction, some of it? Maybe not.

Josef Miller 18:33
Yeah.

Amber Tresca 18:33
So do you think that you’ve had the same kind of arc over the past couple of years?

Josef Miller 18:39
Yeah, I, I definitely think so. I think with a lot of different things I don’t necessarily feel in terms of musical theater. I do love musical theater.

Amber Tresca 18:52
Who doesn’t?

Josef Miller 18:53
Yeah. But I think for me, for me, I think the greatest change that I made in my life was not living in fear. That was one of the working titles I had for the book originally. I thought about changing or making it to “the power of fear,” but because I do think there’s so much power that fear can kind of manipulate and have in our lives to kind of constrict us and limit us from doing a lot of things that that we wouldn’t venture out and do if we hadn’t overcome that. And so, I think that’s been one of the changes that I’ve had since I’ve been diagnosed.

Amber Tresca 19:55
I’m a writer myself

Josef Miller 19:57
Yes.

Amber Tresca 19:58
So I understand a little bit about why some people choose to write. I understand why I choose to write. And I say choose, because it’s not really a choice. I don’t really have a choice. Sometimes I have a choice in the things that I write for a living.

Josef Miller 20:15
Yeah.

Amber Tresca 20:15
I do have a little bit of a choice. But the things that I write for myself, for instance, my blog, things like that, honestly, it’s more of a compulsion.

Josef Miller 20:24
Yeah.

Amber Tresca 20:25
It has to leave my body through my fingers. So I’m wondering about your reasons for writing this book, and what your writing process looks like.

Josef Miller 20:38
It’s exactly kind of what you mentioned, I, when I started writing this book, I was thinking it was going to take me, I thought it would take me a decent bit to write. It’s a, I think it’s 150 pages. And I started it around end of May. And I thought it would take me probably until beginning of November, I was completely done with it by the middle of August, which kind of connecting back to what you said, when you’re so gravitated by an idea or a story or something that you just want to share it, you can really not do it.

Josef Miller 21:13
For me, I felt like I just had to write it and put it out. And I would spend hours and hours and hours just writing and it would just feel kind of amazing to just let all these feelings of like, flow out of me. And so that was something that really kind of has been amazing about writing, I wrote a lot when I was younger, but and the revisiting this after my diagnosis is has been a really great experience.

Amber Tresca 21:40
I also find sometimes in writing about the more personal aspects of living with an IBD, it is challenging, because it is sort of you’re remembering it, you’re sort of reliving it. How was that experience for you?

Josef Miller 22:01
There’s one section of the book for anyone who read that that primarily tackles telling Jacobs his experiences in, in getting his diagnosis and going through his first symptoms. And that was the most challenging part of the book to write because, you know, I talked about all these experiences that I went through, but to kind of sit down and rethink of them and almost relive to such an extent was really kind of like emotionally challenging to do.

Josef Miller 22:29
Because you’re just trying to you want to get all this information down on the document or on the paper, but it kind of it has so much trauma and so many difficult feelings associated with it, that it can be difficult, emotionally and mentally to do. And so that by far was the most challenging part of the book to do. But I, I felt really committed to doing it because I, I hoped and knew that there would be some payoff for the character, if done right.

Amber Tresca 23:00
Yeah. And a lot of it really resonated with me. I mean, it’s been a very long time since I was a teenager. But still, you know, I think some of the experiences are a little bit universal.

Josef Miller 23:12
Yeah.

Amber Tresca 23:12
Especially when you’re diagnosed as a teenager. So some of the things that the character goes through. I definitely recognized. And then I also had some other thoughts, being a parent myself. What did your parents have to say about your writing this book?

Josef Miller 23:31
I didn’t tell him I was writing the book.

Josef Miller 23:38
I for those listening, I’ve published two books. And I didn’t tell my parents about the first one. I didn’t tell my parents about the seconds, because and a lot of people asked me, like, why did you do that? And I was like, Well, I feel that if I tell people that I’m writing a book, they’re gonna hold me to some agenda. That creatively I don’t know if I can, like live up to.

Amber Tresca 24:02
Yeah

Josef Miller 24:02
There were days writing this book, or there was even just a week where I just like, didn’t even want to write anything, because I didn’t feel inspired to write at that moment or out that day. So that’s why I’ve been that’s why I kept it a little bit of a secret. But so for the first book, I surprised my dad first and then kind of shared with my entire family. And with this one, I shared it with my mom first. It was funny. Her first reaction was like, Did you copy this off the internet? I was like, No. I wrote all this. But their reactions and their support for the book have been great. And yeah, it’s been just a fun experience of my family to do all this.

Amber Tresca 24:42
Josef, you kind of buried the lede here. You wrote another book? Yeah. What is that book about?

Josef Miller 24:49
So it kind of connects to what I talked about earlier with the with moving a lot. Something that I that I struggled with a lot with moving I’m multicultural, I’m half Mexican, half American. And I just I remember feeling when I was younger, to fit in a little bit because I didn’t feel like I fully culturally fit into either culture not.

Josef Miller 25:15
And until I moved to to Mexico in the United States, I had this idea of like, when I move back to Mexico or the US, I will feel kind of like I fit in. Yeah. And it wasn’t true for either of those. And so the book kind of tackles the idea that it’s okay to not fit in, and it’s okay to have differences. It’s a children’s book. It’s not a kind of a poetry book. And it’s told through the story of an axolotl that goes through those experiences.

Amber Tresca 25:45
Oh well, now I’m interested in this book. What’s the title of that book?

Josef Miller 25:51
The book is called the Axolotl That Lost Himself.

Amber Tresca 25:55
Oh my gosh. I love it. When did you write that book?

Josef Miller 25:59
I read it earlier this year. I published the first book, I was done with it earlier, but I was trying to navigate the publishing process. Right, I finished it around mid May. And I finished this one, about mid August. So I’d written about a 10…

Josef Miller 26:20
What kind of ended up happening was I’d written about a 10th, or a fifth of The Purple Rose. And I kind of got this idea to do the Axolotl That Lost Himself. And I knew it’d be a shorter project to do. So I took like two months from this book to do that. And then I came back, and I just worked nonstop on this book.

Amber Tresca 26:40
Right, right. I don’t know if there’s a name for that process. But I recognize it. When you’re in the middle of a big project, and you stop and do a smaller project. I think it’s almost at least for me, when I do that, it’s because I, I need some kind of completion, I need to feel like I’ve completed something. I’m in the middle of the bigger project, until I can complete that.

Josef Miller 27:07
Because since the big project takes so long to complete it can I remember just writing it and being like, this has taken me forever to do but it can be kind of a long time. And I’m very lucky I summer break, right when I was writing this book, because if I didn’t I don’t know how long it would have taken me to fully write it.

Amber Tresca 27:26
Yeah, yeah, I understand that. So alright, you’ve got a lot going on. People are gonna want to help you.

Josef Miller 27:32
Yeah.

Amber Tresca 27:33
So what can the IBD community or the wider chronic illness community because I could see, Positivity Beats IBD is a little bit bigger than that.

Josef Miller 27:45
Yeah.

Amber Tresca 27:45
What can the community do to help support you in your work?

Josef Miller 27:50
Yes. So for specific for specifically for Positivity Beats IBD, I think the best way to help would be to get in contact with us through Instagram. Our Instagram account is called positivity beats IBD. And either send us a DM or message us on one of our posts.

Josef Miller 28:12
And especially with an interest of either making positive cards or sending in a donation. And we’d be happy to kind of manage the process from there and work with you to kind of make sure your donations whether through cards or monetary, can make it to the right people.

Josef Miller 28:28
And if you want to support The Purple Rose, the best way is to buy a copy of the book and share it. Because I think specifically for people with chronic illnesses. There’s some positive themes in there and inspiring themes that can help someone that might be going through a difficult time and maybe need a support of an uplift.

Amber Tresca 28:50
I agree 100%, I think, especially for teens and young adults, that are newly diagnosed, I think your book will really speak to them. And maybe give them an idea of what the process is like that. You won’t always be as sick as you are at diagnosis, for instance. And that, yeah, you can live a full life and you can go on to achieve your goals. I think those messages are really important.

Amber Tresca 29:24
And I kind of wish…I didn’t ask my kids to read your book. I’m going to I’m going to ask my kids to read your book because I’m interested to know what their thoughts would be because I was reading it from my own perspective, having been diagnosed as a teen in the long long ago.

Josef Miller 29:44
Yeah

Amber Tresca 29:45
But obviously, being a teenager is a lot different now today than it was when I was a teenager. So I’d be interested to hear also what my kids think about it and also because I Think books like these, like I’ve said, there’ll be great for people who are living with an IBD. But I also think that it’s important for young people who don’t live with an illness, to read something like this, to get that perspective, hopefully, so that they are supportive of people in their life who are experiencing something difficult or something traumatic, so that they can see what it was like for Jacob to have a friend who was supportive, and how they could be that supportive friend.

Amber Tresca 30:36
So anyway, I just really enjoyed your book.

Josef Miller 30:39
I really appreciate it.

Amber Tresca 30:43
So you’re very busy. It is a very interesting and busy and hopeful time of life, I think.

Josef Miller 30:51
Yeah.

Amber Tresca 30:51
Being a high school senior and getting ready to go to college. What do you do when you’re not writing a book? What do you what do you do for fun? What? What do you and your friends do?

Josef Miller 31:06
Well, we love to play video games. Yeah, we love to watch movies. I am a huge, huge, huge Marvel fan Star Wars fan. I really, really like to watch baseball. It’s the offseason right now. So there are any games on right now. But I think just I love just getting on and with my friends to play their video games or to watch a movie and spend some time with them. Especially because I have friends. Maybe not all of them here but in different places around the world.

Josef Miller 31:39
So technology has been has been amazing and just kind of being able to communicate with other people. And a lot. The pandemic was kind of very helpful because new technology, and apps and other things appeared so you could watch movies together.

Amber Tresca 31:54
Yeah.

Josef Miller 31:54
So that’s, that’s kind of what I enjoy to do.

Amber Tresca 31:57
Yeah. All right. So let me ask you this, though.

Josef Miller 32:00
Yeah.

Amber Tresca 32:01
All right. I have to ask you about the Star Wars fandom. Okay, because we’re, we’re giant Star Wars fans in my house. And I’m old enough that I saw Episode IV in the theater as a child.

Josef Miller 32:13
Wow.

Amber Tresca 32:14
Okay. So I’m just giving you the perspective of where I’m coming from. If you were to tell someone to watch the movies, what order would you tell them to watch them?

Josef Miller 32:25
Oh, that’s such a hard question. My heart is saying, one, starting from the The Phantom Menace, and moving forward. But I think, really what you should do is start from A New Hope.

Amber Tresca 32:44
Yes, that is the correct answer!

Josef Miller 32:46
I think I think you have to start from A New Hope I really do. Keep yourself located from where you’re at on the timeline. But I think that’s the correct order.

Amber Tresca 32:58
Right. 100%. Agree. And I think because if you watch them in chronological order, and now you’re going to learn like what a huge nerd I am. But I think if you if you watch them like 123456789, like, I think that’s confusing. And I think if you watch one, two and three, and then you try to watch four, your’re going back in time to films that were made in the 70s. I think that would be so jarring.

Josef Miller 33:27
Yeah.

Amber Tresca 33:28
And strange.

Josef Miller 33:29
I definitely agree. I, yeah, I agree. Because I also think that films are shot so differently, kind of written differently, totally differently, that it would be very odd to kind of make that I think it’s an easier transition to do four, five and six, and then go to 1-2-3, than it would be 123456. And then the new trilogy, which is divisive in and of itself.

Amber Tresca 33:57
Oh, well, you know, I love all of it.

Josef Miller 34:00
Me too.

Amber Tresca 34:01
I always have and it’s just it’s great. So Well, thank you for nerding out with me for a little bit, and you agree with me. So I really love that as well, because there are people that do not. And that’s that’s not great, because 456123789 is the correct order. And that is the hill that I will die on.

Amber Tresca 34:24
All right, Joseph, where can people buy The Purple Rose?

Josef Miller 34:29
The Purple Rose is selling on Amazon. You can either look up The Purple Rose, or you can look me up as an author. My author name is Joseph Alexander Miller, and both of my books should come up there but specifically The Purple Rose should be up there when you look up my name.

Amber Tresca 34:50
Perfect and I will put that information in the show notes to make it a little bit easier, along with your social media information.

Amber Tresca 34:56
Joseph, thank you so much for connecting with me and for it doing this episode with me and I am really just so grateful for your work that you’re doing with Positivity Beats IBD and then also for your books. Now that I know that there’s more than one, and thank you so much for talking with me today, I’ve really enjoyed getting to know you better.

Josef Miller 35:17
Thank you so much Amber it was such a fun time and I really appreciate you having me on.

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Amber Tresca 35:27
Hey, super listener.

Amber Tresca 35:29
Thanks to Joseph Miller for taking the time away from school and all his projects to speak with me. If you want to support his mission, you can follow Positivity Beats IBD on Instagram, or buy his books, The Purple Rose and the Axolotl That Lost Himself on Amazon.

Amber Tresca 35:47
Plus, as always, links to a written transcript, everyone’s social media handles, and more information on the topics we discussed is in the show notes and on my episode 143 page on about ibd.com.

Amber Tresca 36:01
Thanks for listening. And remember until next time, I want you to know more about IBD.

Amber Tresca 36:10

About IBD is a production of Mal and Tal Enterprises.

It is written, produced, and directed by me, Amber Tresca.

Mix and sound design is by Mac Cooney.

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